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Entrevistas De Otra
Dimensi贸n: Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
Conversaciones donde los l铆mites de la realidad se vuelven difusos
Hay testimonios que desaf铆an nuestras certezas y preguntas para las que todav铆a no tenemos respuestas. En Entrevistas de otra dimensi贸n Iv谩n Vega Recabal conversa con investigadores, testigos y protagonistas de experiencias extraordinarias para explorar aquello que parece existir m谩s all谩 de los l铆mites de lo conocido.
Sin imponer certezas. Sin decirte qu茅 creer. Solo escuchar, preguntar y dejar abierta la posibilidad.
Bienvenido: Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
Escritor e investigador peruano, residente en Argentina, cuya vida ha estado vinculada durante d茅cadas al fen贸meno OVNI y al contactismo.
Seg煤n relata, sus primeras experiencias se remontan a la infancia, cuando observ贸 extra帽as luces en Chosica, Per煤. A帽os despu茅s, en 1993, afirma haber vivido una experiencia que marcar铆a un punto de inflexi贸n: recibi贸 lo que interpret贸 como un mensaje mental y, tras pedir una confirmaci贸n, subi贸 a la terraza de su casa acompa帽ado por su familia, donde todos observaron un objeto luminoso.
A partir de entonces comenz贸 una b煤squeda que lo llev贸 a participar en grupos de ufolog铆a y contactismo, escribir libros, impartir conferencias y recorrer diferentes lugares relacionados con el fen贸meno. Sin embargo, con el paso de los a帽os su interpretaci贸n tambi茅n fue cambiando. Hoy reconoce que algunas de sus primeras conclusiones pudieron ser limitadas y contempla un escenario mucho m谩s complejo, donde podr铆an coexistir distintas explicaciones.
En esta conversaci贸n realizada en Chile hablamos precisamente de esas zonas dif铆ciles: luces y esferas, conciencia, experiencias paranormales, posibles inteligencias extraterrestres o interdimensionales, protocolos de contacto y, sobre todo, de las dudas que aparecen cuando una experiencia extraordinaria desaf铆a nuestras propias interpretaciones.
Estas son diez preguntas a Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho.
1. ¿QU脡 ES REALMENTE EL FEN脫MENO OVNI?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Despu茅s de tantos a帽os de experiencias e investigaci贸n, ¿cu谩l es hoy tu percepci贸n del fen贸meno? ¿Estamos hablando de algo extraterrestre, interdimensional, ps铆quico? ¿O podr铆a haber distintas explicaciones?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: A lo largo de estos a帽os he tratado de ver las cosas en perspectiva. Cuando se discute qu茅 son, de d贸nde vienen, si las naves son met谩licas, si son de energ铆a o si algunas de estas luces son sondas controladas a distancia, creo que uno debe ser prudente.
Tambi茅n descubr铆 que existe una l铆nea muy delgada entre las experiencias reales y las exageraciones, y ciertas cosas que te pueden llevar al fanatismo o al delirio.
Hoy considero que el fen贸meno no es humano, que es real y es de m煤ltiple origen.
No necesariamente se trata solamente de un fen贸meno interdimensional o ps铆quico que utiliza nuestra sustancia mental y se puede camuflar de acuerdo con lo que necesitamos ver. Esa posibilidad existe, pero tambi茅n sigo pensando que hay casos que pueden encajar con la hip贸tesis extraterrestre.
Creo que el error ser铆a mirar toda la realidad del fen贸meno a trav茅s de una sola explicaci贸n.
2. ¿LAS ESFERAS DE LUZ PODR脥AN SER ENTIDADES EN S脥 MISMAS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: En muchos de los casos que he investigado, el fen贸meno comienza con luces, orbes o esferas. Cuando profundizas en el relato del testigo, muchas veces descubres que no necesariamente est谩 describiendo el cl谩sico OVNI de «tuercas y tornillos». ¿Qu茅 ocurre en tu experiencia?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: En mi caso personal, lo primero que recuerdo fueron luces, aunque tambi茅n he visto en otros lugares del Per煤 objetos de apariencia met谩lica.
Este es un tema muy resbaladizo. Uno debe ser prudente en c贸mo describe las cosas que vio o c贸mo cree recordarlas, por el fantasma de la percepci贸n.
Muchas veces estas experiencias comienzan con esferas. Y no necesariamente son sondas, caneplas o tecnolog铆a, como si se tratara de un dron extraterrestre.
Pueden ser entidades en s铆 mismas, que primero son observadas como una esfera y posteriormente pueden corporizarse —sea esa su forma original o no— como una entidad de aspecto humano para facilitar la interacci贸n con el testigo.
Iv谩n Vega Recabal junto a Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
3. ¿EXISTE UN SEGUIMIENTO FAMILIAR O ANCESTRAL DE LOS TESTIGOS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Hay otro elemento que aparece en algunos de los casos que he investigado: una especie de seguimiento familiar o ancestral. ¿Tus padres tuvieron alg煤n acercamiento al fen贸meno o t煤 ser铆as, por decirlo de alguna manera, la primera generaci贸n?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Me he convencido de que hay un rastreo que viene desde los ancestros del testigo. Ellos lo han dicho en sus mensajes.
Pero aqu铆 entramos en un terreno resbaladizo. Una cosa es aquello a lo que uno llega bas谩ndose en evidencias y otra lo que estos seres dicen en los mensajes.
Fotograf铆as, filmaciones o miles de testimonios no constituyen evidencia cient铆fica como tal. Son indicios que pueden ser estudiados. La evidencia cient铆fica exige otras condiciones, como la posibilidad de repetici贸n y su evaluaci贸n dentro del 谩mbito cient铆fico.
Dicho eso, si me baso en los mensajes y en nuestra propia experiencia, considero que estos seres han rastreado al testigo desde sus ancestros. Yo no tengo ninguna duda.
En mi familia no se hablaba de estos temas, pero despu茅s descubr铆 que mi padre hab铆a tenido algunas vivencias que 茅l interpretaba como paranormales. Tambi茅n descubr铆 que ten铆a un 煤nico libro de ufolog铆a en su biblioteca, que hab铆a comprado en 1974, el a帽o en que nac铆, y me dijo que hab铆a sentido que alg煤n d铆a ese libro ser铆a importante para m铆.
Por eso digo que pueden existir conexiones que empiezan con nuestros padres y otras que desconocemos, porque quiz谩 un abuelo o un bisabuelo tuvo experiencias de las que nunca llegamos a enterarnos.
4. ¿CU脕NDO LAS LUCES SE CONVIRTIERON EN UNA EXPERIENCIA DE CONTACTO?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Hab铆as observado luces desde ni帽o, pero ¿cu谩ndo ocurre ese momento en que la experiencia cambia y sientes que existe una inteligencia intentando comunicarse contigo?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: El primer mensaje concreto que viv铆 ocurri贸 en 1993. Yo ten铆a 19 a帽os, estudiaba Mercadotecnia y estaba prepar谩ndome para un parcial de Estad铆stica y Contabilidad.
No practicaba meditaci贸n ni formaba parte de ning煤n grupo organizado de contactismo. Eso quiero aclararlo porque existe el mito de que mi experiencia comenz贸 con grupos de contacto como Rama, y no fue as铆. Mi experiencia empez贸 de forma individual y m谩s tarde me llev贸 a participar en diferentes grupos durante mi b煤squeda.
Mientras descansaba de mis estudios recib铆 mentalmente una voz que me dec铆a que eran seres extraterrestres que estaban intentando contactarme.
Yo dud茅, como toda persona racional.
Entonces recib铆 esta respuesta:
«¿Quieres una confirmaci贸n? Sube a la terraza de tu casa».
Sub铆 acompa帽ado por mi pap谩, mi madre y mis hermanos, y todos vimos el objeto all铆 arriba.
Yo qued茅 completamente pasmado. Porque una cosa es aceptar, por cultura, sentido com煤n o estad铆stica, que tal vez no estamos solos en el universo. Otra cosa es recibir un mensaje.
Al principio no fue fascinante.
Fue preocupante.
5. ¿LO PARANORMAL Y EL FEN脫MENO OVNI EST脕N RELACIONADOS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Una de las hip贸tesis que desarrollo en mi investigaci贸n es que lo paranormal podr铆a estar profundamente relacionado con el fen贸meno OVNI. ¿Qu茅 opinas? ¿Estamos frente a fen贸menos distintos o pueden formar parte de una misma realidad?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Est谩n unidos.
No todo se basa en la versi贸n cl谩sica de la ufolog铆a: una criatura de aspecto humano enfundada en un traje met谩lico, dentro de un objeto con volumen, densidad y peso, que llega, deja una huella, habla del peligro de las armas nucleares, entrega un mensaje de paz y despu茅s se marcha.
Esa es, digamos, una versi贸n minimalista del fen贸meno.
Tambi茅n existen casos que, a mi modo de ver las cosas —y te lo digo como testigo—, ya no encajan cien por ciento con la hip贸tesis extraterrestre. Puede manifestarse una conciencia, una energ铆a —no s茅 qu茅 t茅rmino emplear— y la experiencia ser compatible con un encuentro cercano, pero no necesariamente tratarse de una entidad extraterrestre.
Por eso pienso que aqu铆 se entrelazan la percepci贸n ps铆quica, otras dimensiones, el contactismo extraterrestre y otros fen贸menos.
Para m铆, el punto de conexi贸n tiene que ver con la conciencia.
6. ¿TUVISTE QUE RECONOCER QUE ALGUNAS DE TUS PRIMERAS INTERPRETACIONES POD脥AN ESTAR EQUIVOCADAS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Hoy tienes una mirada bastante abierta respecto de las distintas posibilidades. ¿Siempre pensaste de esta manera?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: No. Yo era mucho m谩s cerrado en mi juventud, tal vez porque defend铆a las experiencias que hab铆amos tenido en Per煤.
Pero en 1998 tuve una experiencia en la llamada Zona X, en Cusco, muy cerca de Sacsayhuam谩n. Estaba acompa帽ado por un paco andino, Sergio C谩ceres Huam谩n, y vimos una entidad luminosa que apareci贸 en una cueva.
Aquello no ten铆a nada que ver con los extraterrestres de aspecto humano, los mensajes y las experiencias del contacto cl谩sico que yo conoc铆a hasta ese momento.
Ni siquiera sab铆amos qu茅 hab铆amos visto. El paco consideraba una posibilidad desde su propia cosmovisi贸n y yo trataba de interpretarlo como una entidad interdimensional.
La experiencia gener贸 incluso una discusi贸n dentro de los grupos de contactismo en los que me mov铆a, porque aquello no encajaba con lo que se supon铆a que deb铆amos estar viviendo.
Pero el fen贸meno termina rompiendo tus esquemas mentales.
Rompi贸 los m铆os porque yo tambi茅n me equivoqu茅 en mis interpretaciones iniciales.
Desde 1998 fui cambiando mi visi贸n. Empec茅 a escuchar a otros contactados, supuestos abducidos e investigadores. Al principio pensaba: «Esto no es cierto, porque yo lo viv铆 de una forma diferente».
Hasta que me hice otra pregunta:
¿Y qu茅 tal si todo era cierto?
7. ¿POR QU脡 DECIDISTE EXPONERTE P脷BLICAMENTE?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Tu historia se hizo p煤blica, apareciste en televisi贸n, diste conferencias y tambi茅n recibiste cuestionamientos. ¿Por qu茅 decidiste seguir exponi茅ndote?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Nadie en su sano juicio piensa cuando es ni帽o: «Cuando sea adulto quiero ser uf贸logo o contactado y aparecer en televisi贸n discutiendo con periodistas si estoy mal o no de la cabeza».
Tampoco es esa supuesta vida de rockstar que algunos pueden imaginar por escribir libros, hacer congresos, dar conferencias y viajar.
Entonces, ¿por qu茅 lo sigo haciendo? ¿Por qu茅 lo empec茅 a hacer?
Porque ellos me lo pidieron.
Y s茅 que esto es peligroso decirlo porque alguien podr铆a interpretar que creo tener una misi贸n, que soy una especie de elegido o un embajador de los extraterrestres. A m铆 eso me da prurito.
Sencillamente, ellos me preguntaron si estaba dispuesto a dar a conocer mi testimonio, porque llegar铆a un colectivo mayor de testigos comunes y corrientes como yo, y esa ser铆a mi humilde tarea: aportar mi granito de arena para generar un colectivo de testimonios, una masa cr铆tica de personas que abandonaran el miedo y pudieran compartir sus experiencias.
Eso es lo que he hecho.
Y no me arrepiento. No ha sido f谩cil, sobre todo al principio.
Ricardo Gonz谩lez en Sacsayhuam谩n
8. ¿QU脡 RELATA PAOLA HARRIS SOBRE LOS ENCUENTROS DE MONTE SHASTA?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: En tu historia aparece tambi茅n Paola Harris, quien en ese momento estaba investigando tu caso y posteriormente hizo p煤blico su propio testimonio. ¿Qu茅 ocurri贸?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Paola particip贸 en experiencias de contacto en Monte Shasta y lo que ocurri贸 all铆 gener贸 un cisma dentro de ciertos sectores de la ufolog铆a.
Ella hab铆a llegado con una posici贸n cr铆tica, investigando mi caso, y despu茅s afirm贸 haber vivido una experiencia que decidi贸 contar p煤blicamente.
Hubo personas que cuestionaron aquello y plantearon que yo pod铆a haberla influenciado o sugestionado.
Pero Paola se plant贸 y dijo algo que para m铆 es fundamental:
«¿Qu茅 es la investigaci贸n? Es decir lo que ves, te guste o no te guste. Investigar no es encontrar informaciones que confirmen lo que t煤 pienses, sea a favor del fen贸meno o en contra del fen贸meno. Eso es un sesgo de confirmaci贸n de manual».
Ella sostuvo que hab铆a vivido esa experiencia y que ten铆a que contarla.
Y la sigue contando.
Paola Harris
9. ¿EXISTE REALMENTE UN «PROTOCOLO» PARA ESTABLECER CONTACTO?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Se habla de meditaci贸n, percepci贸n extrasensorial, protocolos e incluso aplicaciones destinadas a intentar establecer contacto. ¿Realmente funciona de esa manera?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Yo mismo publiqu茅 un libro llamado Protocolos de contacto, pero no entendiendo «protocolo» como un ABC que garantice tener contacto.
Ese fue un gran error que algunos cometimos.
Me incluyo.
Compart铆amos informaci贸n basada en percepci贸n extrasensorial, meditaci贸n y una serie de t茅cnicas que pod铆an favorecer el contexto del contacto.
Pero en realidad hay otras cosas relacionadas con estas experiencias: la conexi贸n con el fen贸meno desde antes, una convicci贸n interior, una «sustancia interior» —no s茅 c贸mo definirlo— que parece convocar al fen贸meno.
No necesariamente porque te hagas vegetariano, medites todos los d铆as, sigas determinados protocolos o descargues una aplicaci贸n en el tel茅fono para buscar que las luces te respondan vas a tener contacto.
Te puede ir bien dos veces y mal otras dos.
El fen贸meno no funciona as铆.
10. ¿POR QU脡 CONTACTAR CON PERSONAS COMUNES Y NO CON CIENT脥FICOS O PRESIDENTES?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Esta es una de las preguntas que inevitablemente aparecen cuando se habla de contactismo. ¿Por qu茅 a ti o a otros contactados, personas comunes y corrientes, y no a un cient铆fico o a un presidente?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: ¿Y qui茅n dice que no, querido Iv谩n?
Hay mucha gente del 谩mbito acad茅mico, cient铆fico y militar que ha visto objetos an贸malos. Y aqu铆 quiero hacer una diferencia: cuando digo «esc茅ptico» no estoy en contra del escepticismo. El escepticismo, entendido como la capacidad de dudar, est谩 bien.
Pero he conocido personas del mundo acad茅mico que me han contado experiencias de este tipo. Algunas, seg煤n lo que me han relatado, han tenido problemas porque pod铆an perder inversiones, financiamiento o credibilidad si continuaban hablando p煤blicamente del tema.
Por eso creo que son muchos m谩s de los que imaginamos.
Lo que ocurre es que algunas de estas personas tienen otro rol y prefieren trabajar o investigar silenciosamente. En cambio, la gente com煤n muchas veces tiene mayor libertad para compartir aquello que ha vivido.
Y por eso creo que no hay que subestimar el testimonio de la gente com煤n.
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Interviews from Another Dimension: Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
Interviews from Another Dimension: Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
Conversations where the boundaries of reality become blurred
There are testimonies that challenge our certainties and questions for which we still have no answers. In Interviews from Another Dimension, Iv谩n Vega Recabal speaks with researchers, witnesses, and people who have experienced extraordinary events, exploring what may exist beyond the boundaries of the known.
Without imposing certainties. Without telling you what to believe. Simply listening, asking questions, and leaving the door open to possibility.
Welcome: Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
A Peruvian writer and researcher living in Argentina, whose life has been connected for decades to the UFO phenomenon and contactee experiences.
According to his account, his first experiences date back to childhood, when he observed strange lights in Chosica, Peru. Years later, in 1993, he says he had an experience that marked a turning point: he received what he interpreted as a mental message and, after asking for confirmation, went up to the rooftop of his house accompanied by his family, where they all observed a luminous object.
From that moment on, he began a search that led him to participate in UFO research and contactee groups, write books, give lectures, and travel to different locations associated with the phenomenon. Over the years, however, his interpretation also began to change. Today, he acknowledges that some of his initial conclusions may have been limited and considers a far more complex scenario in which different explanations could coexist.
In this conversation recorded in Chile, we discuss precisely these difficult areas: lights and spheres, consciousness, paranormal experiences, possible extraterrestrial or interdimensional intelligences, contact protocols, and, above all, the doubts that arise when an extraordinary experience challenges our own interpretations.
These are ten questions for Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho.
1. WHAT REALLY IS THE UFO PHENOMENON?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: After so many years of experiences and research, what is your perception of the phenomenon today? Are we talking about something extraterrestrial, interdimensional, psychic? Or could there be different explanations?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Over the years, I have tried to look at things in perspective. When people discuss what they are, where they come from, whether the craft are metallic, whether they are made of energy, or whether some of these lights are remotely controlled probes, I think we need to be cautious.
I also discovered that there is a very fine line between genuine experiences and exaggerations, and certain things that can lead you toward fanaticism or delusion.
Today, I believe that the phenomenon is non-human, that it is real, and that it has multiple origins.
It is not necessarily only an interdimensional or psychic phenomenon that uses our mental substance and can disguise itself according to what we need to see. That possibility exists, but I still believe there are cases that may fit the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
I think the mistake would be to look at the entire reality of the phenomenon through a single explanation.
2. COULD THE SPHERES OF LIGHT BE ENTITIES IN THEMSELVES?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: In many of the cases I have investigated, the phenomenon begins with lights, orbs, or spheres. When you dig deeper into the witness's account, you often discover that they are not necessarily describing the classic "nuts-and-bolts" UFO. What has happened in your experience?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: In my personal case, the first things I remember were lights, although I have also seen objects with a metallic appearance in other parts of Peru.
This is a very slippery subject. You have to be cautious about how you describe the things you saw or how you think you remember them, because of the specter of perception.
Many times, these experiences begin with spheres. And they are not necessarily probes, devices, or technology, as though they were some kind of extraterrestrial drone.
They may be entities in themselves, first observed as a sphere and later able to take physical form—whether or not that is their original form—as a human-looking entity in order to facilitate interaction with the witness.
Iv谩n Vega Recabal with Ricardo Gonz谩lez Corpancho
3. IS THERE A FAMILY OR ANCESTRAL TRACKING OF WITNESSES?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: There is another element that appears in some of the cases I have investigated: a kind of family or ancestral tracking. Did your parents have any connection with the phenomenon, or would you be, so to speak, the first generation?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: I have become convinced that there is a tracking process that goes back through the witness's ancestors. They have said so in their messages.
But here we enter slippery territory. One thing is what you conclude based on evidence, and another is what these beings say in their messages.
Photographs, videos, or thousands of testimonies do not constitute scientific evidence as such. They are indications that can be studied. Scientific evidence requires other conditions, such as repeatability and evaluation within the scientific community.
That said, if I base my view on the messages and on our own experience, I believe these beings have tracked witnesses through their ancestors. I have no doubt about that.
These subjects were never discussed in my family, but I later discovered that my father had experienced certain things that he interpreted as paranormal. I also discovered that he had a single book about UFOs in his library, which he had bought in 1974, the year I was born, and he told me that he had felt that one day that book would be important to me.
That is why I say there may be connections that begin with our parents and others that we know nothing about, because perhaps a grandfather or great-grandfather had experiences that we never learned about.
4. WHEN DID THE LIGHTS TURN INTO A CONTACT EXPERIENCE?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: You had observed lights since childhood, but when did that moment occur when the experience changed and you felt there was an intelligence trying to communicate with you?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: The first concrete message I experienced occurred in 1993. I was 19 years old, studying Marketing, and preparing for an exam in Statistics and Accounting.
I did not practice meditation or belong to any organized contactee group. I want to make that clear because there is a myth that my experience began with contact groups such as Rama, and that was not the case. My experience began individually and later led me to participate in different groups as part of my search.
While taking a break from studying, I mentally received a voice telling me that they were extraterrestrial beings trying to contact me.
I had doubts, as any rational person would.
Then I received this response:
"Do you want confirmation? Go up to the rooftop of your house."
I went upstairs accompanied by my father, my mother, and my siblings, and we all saw the object up there.
I was completely stunned. Because one thing is to accept, based on culture, common sense, or statistics, that perhaps we are not alone in the universe. Receiving a message is something else entirely.
At first, it wasn't fascinating.
It was disturbing.
5. ARE THE PARANORMAL AND THE UFO PHENOMENON CONNECTED?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: One of the hypotheses I explore in my research is that the paranormal could be deeply connected with the UFO phenomenon. What do you think? Are we dealing with separate phenomena, or could they be part of the same reality?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: They are connected.
Not everything is based on the classic version of ufology: a human-looking creature dressed in a metallic suit, inside an object with volume, density, and weight, which arrives, leaves a trace, talks about the danger of nuclear weapons, delivers a message of peace, and then leaves.
That is, let's say, a minimalist version of the phenomenon.
There are also cases that, from my perspective—and I am telling you this as a witness—no longer fit the extraterrestrial hypothesis one hundred percent. A consciousness, an energy—I don't know what term to use—may manifest itself, and the experience may be compatible with a close encounter without necessarily involving an extraterrestrial entity.
That is why I believe psychic perception, other dimensions, extraterrestrial contact, and other phenomena are intertwined here.
For me, the point connecting them all has to do with consciousness.
6. DID YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOME OF YOUR EARLY INTERPRETATIONS MIGHT HAVE BEEN WRONG?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Today you have a fairly open-minded perspective regarding the different possibilities. Did you always think this way?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: No. I was much more closed-minded when I was young, perhaps because I was defending the experiences we had had in Peru.
But in 1998, I had an experience in the so-called Zona X in Cusco, very close to Sacsayhuam谩n. I was accompanied by an Andean paco, Sergio C谩ceres Huam谩n, and we saw a luminous entity appear inside a cave.
It had nothing to do with the human-looking extraterrestrials, the messages, and the classic contact experiences I had known up to that point.
We didn't even know what we had seen. The paco considered one possibility based on his own worldview, while I tried to interpret it as an interdimensional entity.
The experience even sparked a debate within the contactee groups I was involved with because what had happened did not fit with what we were supposedly meant to be experiencing.
But the phenomenon eventually shatters your mental frameworks.
It shattered mine because I, too, had been wrong in some of my initial interpretations.
Beginning in 1998, my perspective started changing. I began listening to other contactees, alleged abductees, and researchers. At first, I would think, "This isn't true, because I experienced it differently."
Until I asked myself another question:
What if it was all true?
7. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO GO PUBLIC?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Your story became public, you appeared on television, gave lectures, and were also subjected to criticism. Why did you decide to continue putting yourself in the public eye?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: No sane person thinks as a child, "When I grow up, I want to be a ufologist or contactee and appear on television arguing with journalists about whether or not I'm crazy."
Nor is it the supposed rock-star lifestyle that some people might imagine because you write books, attend conferences, give lectures, and travel.
So why do I keep doing it? Why did I start doing it?
Because they asked me to.
And I know that is a dangerous thing to say because someone could interpret it as me believing that I have a mission, that I'm some kind of chosen one or ambassador for extraterrestrials. That idea makes me uncomfortable.
Quite simply, they asked me whether I was willing to share my testimony publicly because a larger community of ordinary witnesses like me would eventually emerge, and that would be my humble task: to contribute my small part toward creating a collective body of testimony, a critical mass of people who could overcome their fear and share their experiences.
That is what I have done.
And I don't regret it. It hasn't been easy, especially in the beginning.
Ricardo Gonz谩lez at Sacsayhuam谩n
8. WHAT DOES PAOLA HARRIS SAY ABOUT THE MOUNT SHASTA ENCOUNTERS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: Paola Harris also appears in your story. At the time, she was investigating your case and later made her own testimony public. What happened?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: Paola participated in contact experiences at Mount Shasta, and what happened there caused a schism within certain sectors of ufology.
She had arrived with a critical perspective, investigating my case, and later claimed that she herself had undergone an experience that she decided to discuss publicly.
Some people questioned it and suggested that I might have influenced or suggested the experience to her.
But Paola stood her ground and said something that, to me, is fundamental:
"What is research? It is reporting what you see, whether you like it or not. Research is not about finding information that confirms what you already think, whether you are for or against the phenomenon. That is textbook confirmation bias."
She maintained that she had experienced it and that she had to talk about it.
And she continues to talk about it.
Paola Harris
9. IS THERE REALLY A "PROTOCOL" FOR ESTABLISHING CONTACT?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: People talk about meditation, extrasensory perception, protocols, and even apps designed to try to establish contact. Does it really work that way?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: I myself published a book called Contact Protocols, but I did not mean "protocol" as an ABC formula guaranteed to produce contact.
That was a major mistake some of us made.
Myself included.
We shared information based on extrasensory perception, meditation, and a series of techniques that could help create conditions favorable to contact.
But in reality, there are other things connected with these experiences: a prior connection with the phenomenon, an inner conviction, an "inner substance"—I don't know how to define it—that seems to summon the phenomenon.
You are not necessarily going to have contact simply because you become a vegetarian, meditate every day, follow certain protocols, or download an app on your phone hoping to make the lights respond to you.
It may work twice and fail another two times.
The phenomenon doesn't work that way.
10. WHY CONTACT ORDINARY PEOPLE RATHER THAN SCIENTISTS OR PRESIDENTS?
IV脕N VEGA RECABAL: This is one of the questions that inevitably comes up when discussing contactee experiences. Why you or other contactees—ordinary people—and not a scientist or a president?
RICARDO GONZ脕LEZ: And who says they don't, my dear Iv谩n?
There are many people in academic, scientific, and military circles who have seen anomalous objects. And here I want to make a distinction: when I say "skeptic," I am not against skepticism. Skepticism, understood as the ability to doubt, is a good thing.
But I have met people from the academic world who have told me about experiences of this kind. Some of them, according to what they have told me, have faced problems because they could lose investments, funding, or credibility if they continued speaking publicly about the subject.
That is why I believe there are many more of them than we imagine.
What happens is that some of these people have a different role and prefer to work or conduct their research quietly. Ordinary people, on the other hand, often have greater freedom to share what they have experienced.
And that is why I believe we should not underestimate the testimony of ordinary people.
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